The benefits of this stack aren't very strong but they're somewhat consistent and the side effects are minimal.

  • Selegiline - 1.25 mg sublingually 4x a week
  • Eleuthero (Siberian Ginseng) - 1040 mg once a day
  • Agmatine - 500 mg once a day
  • Biotin - 10,000 mcg once a day

Biotin was originally added to aid in hair growth. My hair has been thinning lately and it's rather concerning. But biotin has had unexpected effects. It seems to improve my mood and reduces impulsiveness.

In a way, it almost feels like a weaker version of methylfolate, but much more stable. Methylfolate usually is a rollercoaster that often makes me worse. In contrast, biotin is usually stable.

One thing I've noticed is that if I don't take a multivitamin at least twice a week then I start to regress. Perhaps biotin is aiding in the production of neurotransmitters and depleting some vitamins/minerals?

Seems good, better stick to things that consistently work.

I tried high dose biotin many years ago but it gave me oily skin and worsened acne. Does it have this side effect on you?

Taking high amount of only one B-vitamin can deplete the other B-vitamins I've heard? So perhaps a low-dose B-complex is a good idea to take with it I'm not sure.

    Galaxyshock I haven't noticed oily skin and worsened acne, but adding Eleuthero initially did cause those side effects.

    Yeah, it's might be depleting the other B-vitamins so a b-complex is probably good to take with it.

    I was having good and stable effects for about 2-3 months but this month in particular I seem to be regressing a lot. My mood has plummeted and motivation to do anything really has dropped to 0. Even just replying takes a lot of effort.

    Might be seasonal affective disorder or maybe tolerance has formed. Could also be that long-term eleuthero is causing these effects.

    I might add Cordyceps to this stack.

    9 days later

    Never tried it and I don't know of a reliable source to get it from. Science.bio was the only reliable vendor I knew of and they're sadly shutting down. Unfortunately, nootropics like bromantane, or in general synthetic nootropics, are getting harder and harder to find with each year. The industry is in a tough spot at the moment which I think is the result of increased restrictions.

    There aren't many nootropic vendors nowadays. Well, true or classic nootropics like the racetams. There's plenty of places to buy natural nootropics like Ashwagandha.

    Bromantane might have a positive effect for me but I'll likely never know.

    Yeah I've noticed the trend of racetams and other synthetic nootropics getting harder to find. Personally I mostly take natural nootropics though. I did try some racetams and Noopept years ago but didn't find them that useful so I didn't continue to use them regularly.

    Bromantane is indeed pretty interesting substance as it's considered synthetic adaptogen, but it's unfortunate we may never get to try it.

    a year later

    Hey any updates? What does your current stack consist of?

    Hey, just taking some basic things at the moment:

    • Vitamin D3 - 5000 IU every week day, skipping the weekends
    • Lutein & Zeaxanthin - 25 mg, 5 mg every other day
    • Boron - 3 mg every day
    • Methylfolate 800 mcg every 3 days

    Sometimes I take ALCAR for its rapid antidepressant-like effect, but it's not very reliable.

    Got sick with the flu about a week ago and in the recovery phase now, but I was planning on starting something stimulating.

    I have around 60 tablets of Rasagiline (Azilect) from 10 years ago that I never took after refilling it. It was decent at the time, but wasn't providing a strong enough boost to motivation and especially not attention. I had health insurance at the time from my university so it was covered. It costed literally $500 per 60 tablets.

    I might start taking it since it feels like a waste if I don't. Though, it's definitely expired at this point and I'm not sure if it's going to be effective or even safe for that matter.

    Damn that's pretty expensive med. If you have stored it well it might still work even if it's expired? How does Rasagiline differ from Selegiline?

    What does Methylfolate do for you? I remember when I took it years ago it greatly improved my mood but also made my mind race and I started to feel sort of robotic.

    Yeah, I thought it was just the brand name, Azilect, that's expensive but the generic came out a number of years ago and it's still like $400. Perhaps it does have a high cost of manufacturing, but it could also just be the generic manufacturers want to have a high profit margin. There's no incentive for them to make less money, especially since there's so few of them making it.

    Rasagiline feels a bit cleaner than Selegiline, less stimulating I guess. However, at the same time it feels less motivating/energizing. Part of the reason might be due to the metabolites produced by selegiline, but even sublingual selegiline at 1.25 mg is quite stimulating. Selegiline itself has catecholamine activity enhancing properties, though I don't know if it's clinically significant.

    Also, Selegiline increases the number of dopamine transporters even after a single dose whereas Rasagiline does not.

    Striatal levels of DAT were elevated after 1 and 21 days treatment with selegiline, but were not affected by clorgyline, rasagiline, nomifensine or amphetamine.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1571229/

    It appears that Selegiline may have additional effects independent from its MAO-B inhibition. From the same article:

    One possibility is that (−)-amphetamine and (−)-methamphetamine produced in vivo from selegiline alter the expression of DAT, since in addition to the classical effects of amphetamine on the neuronal cell, it has been shown that amphetamine can induce up-regulation of zif/268 mRNA expression in rat forebrain (Wang & McGinty, 1995). However amphetamine given in the same dose as selegiline did not affect DAT level in our study. Selegiline has been shown to alter the expression of mRNA for a variety of proteins such as tyrosine hydroxylase, L-aromatic amino acid decarboxylase and glial fibrillary acidic protein (Li et al., 1992; 1993; Vrana et al., 1992) in lower dosage than is needed to influence dopamine metabolism.

    In conclusion, we found functional evidence for a reduction in striatal dopamine uptake in vivo by selegiline, together with increased synthesis of dopamine transporter molecules. The increase in expression of transporter molecules may be a property of selegiline separate from its effect on MAO. From the present results we cannot tell whether the increase in the transporter expression is due to increase in transporter synthesis or reduction in its metabolism.

    As for methylfolate, I find it helpful in reducing agitation and eye fatigue. I often have trouble maintaining focus on even a single word and feel restlessness in my eyes. Methylfolate directly decreases it and I've found nothing else that can do this. It can also improve my mood and sustained attention as well as some aspects of cognition, but it often does the opposite which is why I barely took it in 2022.

    It needs to be balanced with B12 to work properly but I've never been able to figure out the dosing for myself. For instance, if I take methylfolate 1000 mcg every 3 days for a week then it will start having negative effects by the 3rd dose. Taking B12 either in the form of methylcobalamin or adenosylcobalamin would alleviate the negative effects and for a day I'd have some positive effects.

    However, these positive effects only last for that one day and taking either more methylfolate or b12 the next day just causes negative effects.

    6 days later

    I used to take the Life Extension Two-Per-Day multivitamin which had fully methylated b-complex. It wasn't particularly helpful and caused a lot of drowsiness.